Paints must be one of the most basic and crucial things in our hobby. Everybody has their preferences and it's not easy to tell which paints are the best. But because Arkadiusz wrote:
Could you write which paints suit you the best? I mean metallics, normal paints and washes. Such knowledge comes with experience, and it would be a valuable pointer for beginners. Especially if you consider the fact that often not the whole range of paints from one manufacturer keeps the same qualities.
... I have no choice but to confess to you how it is with me and my paints... ;) So let me show you there are no real secrets in my choice of paints. Just read on..
Czy mogłabyś napisać kiedyś jakie farby tobie najbardziej odpowiadają? Chodzi mi o metaliki, zwykłe i washe, taka wiedza przychodzi z praktyką, była by to cena wskazówka dla początkujących malarzy szczególnie że nie zawsze dana firma ma całą gamę farb na tym samym poziomie.
... to nie pozostaje mi nic innego, tylko wyznać wam jak to u mnie jest z tymi farbami... ;) Pokażę wam więc, że w moim doborze farb nie ma żadnych prawdziwych sekretów. Po prostu czytajcie dalej...
Once I wrote that "when I want to focus the viewer's attention, I apply the color on already preshaded surface. This way I try to emphasize the elements which were crucial for me and direct his attention there." For this kind of task I like to use transparent paints, inks and washes. Citadel washes have just the right consistency for application. Unfortunately the palette is still limited, but you can achieve similar effect with other paints, too.
Inks and transparent paints are much more stronger - I have to thin them quite a lot. I like transparent paints and inks from Vallejo very much. Additionally there is a large palette of colors in these ranges. P3 inks are also pretty good. I had bad experience only with one color from this palette - pigment in their Flesh Wash got easily separated in the bottle and the same happened on my palette. So I used it up immediately and it got on my nerves very badly (just like working with alcohol-based metallics). Maybe I just had bad luck and got a bad bottle, so if anybody has different feelings about this color - I'd be happy to be corrected in this subject.
Kiedyś wspominałam, że "gdy chcę przykuć spojrzenie obserwatora, nakładam barwę jako ostatnią na wycieniowanej powierzchni. Tak to staram się uwydatnić elementy które były dla mnie najistotniejsze i tam pokierować Wasz wzrok." Do tego typu zabiegów wykorzystuję najchętniej farby transparentne, inki i washe. Washe np. z Citadel mają dość gotową konsystencję do nakładania. Niestety mają ograniczoną paletę, jednak podobny efekt możemy osiągnąć z innymi farbami.
Inki (tusze) i transparentne farby są dużo intensywniejsze - muszę je zwykle dość mocno rozcieńczać. Bardzo lubię transparentne farby i Inki z Vallejo. Mają na dodatek sporą paletę kolorystyczną. P3 też ma całkiem niezłe inki, naraził mi się tylko jeden kolor z palety (Flesh Wash) pigment oddzielał się bardzo szybko w buteleczce i to samo działo się na palecie. Zużycie poszło migiem, a ile się przy tym nairytowałam (hrrrr, robota jak z alkoholowymi metalikami). Być może trafiłam na wadliwy produkt, więc jeśli ktoś ma inne doświadczenie, to proszę o sprostowanie :)
I also have some Winsor&Newton inks. Connoisseur's thing ;))))
The range of colors is pretty modest but they combine good translucency with intensity of color. They're very useful for details like gems or already mentioned attracting attention to a particular point. Sometimes I add a bit of such inks to my mix when painting larger surfaces, but I don't paint large surfaces solely with them, because they take a lot of time to dry. They're also exceptionally glossy, so I can rarely use them without having to varnish the surface with matt varnish.
Mam też w szufladzie tusze od Winsor&Newton. Rzecz dla konesera ;)))
Paleta kolorystyczna skromna, ale łączą dużą przezroczystość z mocną intensywnością barwy. Przydają mi się do takich elementów jak kamienie, czy jak wyżej wspomniane przyciągnięcie wzroku w dany punkt. Czasem dodaję do mieszanki na większe powierzchnie, ale nie stosuję ich samych na dużych płaszczyznach, bo długo schną. Są też wyjątkowo błyszczące, więc rzadko udaje się obejść bez późniejszego zmatowania lakierem.
For thinning my paints I like to use Glaze Medium from Vallejo Game Glaze range (72069) - the paint becomes not only thinner, but also more flexible, less liquid, which makes it easier to apply. It can be said that it doesn't thin the paint as much as it decreases its opacity and makes application easier (like a mix of matt medium with flow improver).
It's not easy to describe such things, but one feels the difference while painting. Then I work with consistency similar to this of GW Citadel Washes.
Fajnie do rozrzedzania farb przydaje mi się produkt z Vallejo Game Glaze 72069 Glaze Medium - farba nie tylko jest rozrzedzona, ale i sprężysta, mniej ciekła, dzięki czemu łatwiejsza w nakładaniu. Można by powiedzieć, że to medium nie tyle rozcieńcza farbę, co zwiększa jej przezroczystość i ułatwia nakładanie (trochę jak mieszanka matowego medium z flow improverem).
Ciężko takie rzeczy opisywać, ale w malowaniu czuje się różnicę. Pracuję wtedy z konsystencją jak przy gotowym produkcie GW - Citadel Washes.
When it comes to metallic paints, my experience is more limited. I know only a little about them, so that's what I can write :)
Citadel metallics suit me quite fine, because of their fine pigment (metallic grain)... especially when you compare them to Vallejo metallic paints, and that's the only comparison I have.
You can find fantastic pigment in alcohol-based metallic paints from Vallejo. You can achieve smooth and shiny surface with them - almost like chrome. But I do very poorly at painting with them, because one needs fast hand and quick mind to control them ;) They dry very quickly.
Co do metalicznych farb, to mam małe doświadczenie. Wiem tyle o ile i tyle napiszę :)
Pasują mi metaliki z Citadel, bo mają drobny pigment (ziarno metalicznych drobinek)... Zwłaszcza porównując z metalicznymi farbami z Vallejo, a tylko taką mam skalę porównawczą.
Bajerancki pigment jest za to w metalicznych farbach na bazie alkoholu z Vallejo. Powierzchnia wychodzi głaciutka i błyszcząca - bliska chromowanej. Jednak marnie sobie radzę z ich nakładaniem, potrzeba szybkiej ręki i prężnego umysłu, żeby je okiełznać ;) (bardzo szybko zasychają).
(When I plan to apply chrome color onto my model, I use Idea spray. Idea spray paints do good job for me in general. I also use car primer and car varnishes in spray cans. I don't choose the cheapest brands because they tend to dry veeeery slowly.)
And back to metallics:
I also have metallic ink from Winsor&Newton. It's great to apply, the pigment is incredibly fine, and the consistency is very watery - just like all of their washes. Unfortunately drying time can be a problem because it takes very much time for it to dry. (Of course you can help yourself with a hair dryer, but you have to be very cautious with it, because overheated paint becomes rough, too dry, and applying any more layers of paint on such surface is not very enjoyable. I made this mistake for a few times, and I cannot recall if such dried pigment didn't separate and stick to the brush - so it's better to stay cautious.)
(Jak mam plan nakładać chrom na model, to stosuję sprej Idea. W ogóle z tej firmy spreje mi się sprawdzają. Stosuję też w spreju podkład samochodowy i lakiery samochodowe. Nie wybieram jednak największej taniochy, bo wtedy straaaasznie długo schnie.)
A wracając do metalików:
Mam też w domu tusz metaliczny z Winsor&Newton. Świetnie się nakłada, pigment niebywale drobniutki, konsystencja jak to w tuszach - bardzo wodnista. Niestety może przeszkadzać czas schnięcia, bo to trwaaaaa i trwaaaaa. (Pewnie, że możesz pomagać sobie suszarką, ale z suszarką trzeba być ostrożnym, bo jak zbyt przegrzejesz farbę, to robi się szorstka/chropowata - przesuszona i nieprzyjemnie się nakłada na coś takiego kolejne warstwy. Parę razy popełniłam coś takiego, ale nie pamiętam czy przesuszony metaliczny tusz nie rozpylał by się wtedy na pędzlu - więc lepiej ostrożnie)
Most of my paints are Vallejo colors. It's not that I find them that good. I simply got used to them and learned to use them.
There's a thread in Polish about paints on our forum. Unfortunately it's only in one language, which is a pity because many painters share their experience there - IMHO the topic is interesting enough to try to read it even using some kind of online translator.
And what are your favorite paints? Which paints did you have problems with? Do you like to paint with transparent paints and inks, or haven't even tried it yet? Maybe you could add something to my confessions with your comments? Thanks in advance!
Większość farb jakie posiadam to Vallejo. Nie żebym tak sobie je ceniła. Przyzwyczaiłam się już i nauczyłam się ich.
Tu jest Polski wątek na forum na temat farb. Niestety tylko w tym języku, a szkoda, bo wielu malarzy dzieli się tam swoim doświadczeniem - IMHO warto prześledzić ten wątek.
A jakie są wasze ulubione farby? Z jakimi mieliście problemy? Lubicie malować farbami transparentnymi i tuszami, czy jeszcze tego nie próbowaliście? Może uzupełnicie moje wyznania swoimi komentarzami? Z góry dziękuję!
I use a mix of VGC, VMC and cotadel these days, and really the only new citadel I buy are either washes or foundations.
ReplyDeleteI tend to favour VMC becuase they are slightly finer pigment and usually less saturated colour, which I like.
I also use old GW inks, Vallejo washes and inks and some Windsor and newton.
I cant argue with you on any of your points, good article :)
These days I rarely paint anything but I did buy a Vallejo Game Colour set to get me on the right road to success but before that I tried artists acryllic with a little success but all of my effots pale in comparison to the worst job Ana's done ever :P
ReplyDeleteDon't bother with mixing your own pigments unless your very knowlegable in colour theory and you use the finest pigments you can afford, stick with the recommendations Ana gave and you'll have hours of fun instead of days of disaters!
Ja w sumie mam sporo farbek i GW i VGC... w VGC denerwuje mnie to, że non stop muszę trzepać pojemniczkiem bo się cały czas rozwarstwiają. Nawet jak poleżą na mokrej palecie to po jakimś czasie znów powstaje podział.
ReplyDeleteZ GW nie mam tego problemu i za to bardziej je lubię. Jedyne co jest denerwujące to szybsze wysychanie... ale na razie poodwracałem wszystkie pojemniczki do góry nogami i chyba ten proces zatrzymał się.
Zresztą całkiem fajny też artykuł o farbkach jest tu:
http://bitewniaki.polter.pl/Yrkoslaw-Przeglad-farb-czyli-czym-smarowac-b9774
I mainly use GW Foundation and washes. For my typical colors I use VMC or VGC. I have been messing with transparent paints, inks, and washes. I have found that after I have the primary blend down using a wash or an ink painted on, like you would normal paint, helps cover any rough spots and also allows you to deepen the color range that you used.
ReplyDeleteOne thing that you did not really cover in this is paint additives. I honestly think that my flow release from Golden Acrylic is one of the best things that I use. Does not water down the pigment much and allows for much smoother application of paint on the model.
Ana can you provide a link to the thread with the paint discussion in it please, I am afraid I would have no idea what the title would be even (finally a reason to learn another language?)
I found Andrea colors and i quickly became a fan, they are really good, lovely colors good coverage, great metals. the best part is that the pigment, even in the metals is very fine.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing i found is that sometimes and with some colors Andrea colors and vallejo go wrong and give bad mixes.
The inks are also good like the old gw ones.
I only dont like oil, but the new water oils are a great idea.
Thanks
Thanks for your input, guys!!
ReplyDelete@Karitas:
Thanks! If you like thin pigment, try Vallejo Model Air or their transparent paints - wonderfully thin pigments and strong colors. Not only for airbrushing of course :)
Only Smoke has bigger 'grain' but it's intentional and works really well!
@Cyberpaddy:
I wouldn't say that people shouldn't experiment. Isn't it how many great inventions were born? Just be prepared for some unavoidable failures on your way to great success and innovation! :)
VMC paints are very uneven - some are thick, some are thin, some have fine pigments, some not, some dry fast, some dry slow... Or has it changed recently? I still use them because I learned to live with it, but one should be aware of those weaknesses.
@Michał:
To jeden ze sposobów. Inni natłuszczają miejsce styku wieczka ze słoiczkiem np. wazeliną. Ja nie robię nic, bo Cytadelek mam niewiele. Ale niektóre są niezastąpione...
Ach, dzięki za linka! Nie znałam nawet tego artykułu. W paru punktach nie do końca się zgadzam, ale ogólnie to bardzo dobre podsumowanie!
@Djinn24:
I did cover the additive I use: Vallejo Glaze Medium :) It serves all the purposes I have for it - improves flow of my paints and improves the consistency, making them more convenient for me to apply.
I used to use Retarders, Matt and Glossy Medium, but don't use them anymore. Retarder tastes bad ;) and slows drying time of my paints while I want my thin glazes to dry faster and sometimes use hair dryer. Matt/Glossy Medium were replaced by Glaze Medium which I like more.
Then there are only primers (mentioned) and varnishes - but it's a good subject for another post...
Foundation paints are really good and cover well, but I don't use them. The reason is very simple: I do most of my painting with glazes, and these paints are totally unsuitable for this technique. I could use them to apply base colors, but as you must already know, I prefer to apply my initial colors with airbrush over a coat of car primer.
As for the thread - it's linked in my blog (can't miss the green link). Unfortunately the thread is in Polish and internet translators are far from being perfect. But if you really want... you can try.
And maybe you know any other interesting information on the subject?
@Pandadormares:
So Andrea paints are not the same as Vallejo? Somebody told me that so I didn't even bother to check. Silly me...
Thanks for these suggestions! I definitely need to try Andrea paints and inks too!
Oil? You mean oil paints? Or some kind of Andrea product?
@Ana I heard that Andrea and vallejo were made by the same but after reading and trying they cant be, for example the reds are really diferent and so are the flesh tone, not talking about how diferent they work, for me they are really easy to use, even more they vallejo, you must try
ReplyDeleteThey are real oil colors from windsor & Newton (Artisan Water Mixable Oil Colour) but you can clean and thin with water, great idea you get all the qualities of oil but with no mess and using water, just great.
Thanks for the information, Pandadosmares!
ReplyDeleteI have to check these paints then and will surely report how they did their job!
Vallejo, GW paints etc...who makes them???? They don´t have thier own factories do they????
ReplyDeleteI tried vallejo once..and gave them away. The only "brand" name I use is P3, and then only blue, red and flesh.
They cost far too much, 17ml for 1.80€. I can get 50ml for 3.50€, normal hobby shop Acrylic and add some window cleaner or glycerine ...;-D
Greetings
paul